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7 Things Some Guys Do That Make Women Think They're a Pervert

08/06/2007

Posted by TechChick

Hang on, boys. Don't get all defensive - I'm not here to point fingers and call you all out as a slobbering, drooling, certified perverts. I'm just trying to open your eyes to some usually well-meant and harmless behaviors even the most well-intentioned guys sometimes do. Why? Because although I know you mean well, our perception outweighs your intent. And you don't want to be perceived as a pervert, creep or loser, do you? This is inside information, just for you.

1. Accidental Breast Touch Number 2:
Accidental Breast Touch Number 1 will be written off as an accident - provided it doesn't linger - but ABT #2 means you're just trying to cop a feel. And hope I will write it off as another "accident", or that my breast-based nerve cells and unsophisticated girl brain are not receptive to your stealthy, ninja-like boob brush. Rendering me oblivious while you get your jollies. Which isn't the case, perv.

This actually happened to me recently. While talking to a family friend at a family function, he "accidentally" touched my left breast... four times. That's right: Four. Times. Was he thinking because I didn't smack him into next Thursday that it was ok? (And the only reason I didn't was because my 17 year-old cousin was standing right there. Another sign of how unbelievably nervy and pervy this guy was.) The first one, like I said above, was written off as unintentional, a function of his enthusiastic storytelling. But after the third swipe I started to think: maybe my family needs some new friends. I know some of us cannot talk without using our hands (guilty), but remember that it might be best to keep things in close proximity when there are breasts around.

If you're looking to make a move, or gauge a girl's interest, a light touch on the shoulder or elbow is much sexier, and it won't get you labeled a degenerate.

2. Broadcasting Your Love of Playboy:
Examples: Having the Playboy logo proudly displayed anywhere on your car (or worse, on a shirt or around your neck), leaving your magazine collection sprawled out on the coffee table when you know I'm coming over, or having your computer's desktop be a shrine to the "Girls Next Door". I have no objection to you being a fan of the magazine, and hell, I like to look at pretty naked girls just as much as the next person, but how about stashing them in a drawer when you know I'll be around? Catching a peek of them in that drawer might even be a little bit sexy in my eyes - you never know. But always remember: Being surrounded by beautiful women makes a man look hot, but being surrounded by pictures of beautiful women who don't even know he exists, makes him look like a loser.

3. The Creepy Across-the-Bar Stare:
Every girl likes when a man notices her across a crowded bar, but eying me for longer than five seconds prior to striking up a conversation will just creep me out. Five seconds says you're gathering courage or the right opening line, but after six seconds it just tells me you're undressing me with your eyes, which is downright creepy. Think about it this way, boys: How many times have you had some drunk woman do this to you at a club? Sure, it can be a little ego-boosting at first, but you know damn well that after a certain amount of her staring without speaking, it gets a little weird. And you start checking to make sure your fly is up or if there beer dribbling down your chin. Maybe your man-meter says 10 seconds of staring at a woman lets her know you're interested, but the woman-meter says you'd better start taking before our clock ticks six.

4. Going to the Gym or Appearing in Public Wearing Anything Leopard/Cheetah Print, a Headband, or - Good Heavens - Those Dreaded Zubaz Pants From 1989:
You're a man. You are not allowed to own or wear these things unless you are an 80's porn star. (I'm not even going to get into the bushy mustache.) And porn stars aren't guys most women want to date. I've never looked at Ron Jeremy and thought: Mmmm, yummy. And men who try to look like him just make me sad. Men who don't have the sense to look around and realize they are the only ones wearing workout fashion from 20 years ago, make me sadder. Please, please don't be "that guy". And please, please don't come up and talk to me.

5. Bringing Up Your Sexual Escapades, or Asking About Mine, Within 24 Hours of Meeting Me:
Say you and I are having a nice first date dinner at a fancy restaurant. We've made the small talk, you've told me I look great (which is a must, by the way), and our drinks have just arrived. After taking a thoughtful sip of wine, you look deep into my eyes and say "So. Do you like it from behind or do you need to see the guy's face the whole time?"

Yes, I know by this point you guys are thinking about what sex with us would be like, and yes we're curious about you too. But you won't make it to dessert - let alone the bedroom - if you decide it should be one of our first conversations. Your best bet is to wait until we've had a few dates. but who knows, you may get lucky and I may bring it up myself sooner than you think. The key here, boys, is patience.

6. Offering to Come Home From the Grocery Store with Me to Carry and Put Away My Groceries:
Now guys, I realized that as a 5'3", 100lb woman barely able to push her overflowing cart down the grocery aisles, I look like I'm in desperate need of help. And you know what? I am. But grocery stores have staff to help me to my car, and there is absolutely no way some strange guy inviting himself into my home isn't going to come off as a weirdo. No matter how noble he thinks his intentions are. Instead, be the guy in line behind the creep, giving me an "I can't believe he said that either" look when this is all going on. That guy is my hero of the hour, he totally gets that there's a perv standing in-between us, he obviously sees the humor in this, and I like him already. As long as he doesn't offer to come home with me to put away my groceries.

7. Coming Off Like You've Never Seen a Real, Live Woman Before:
This is a classic case of a poorly executed compliment. Say you and I are standing in line next to each other at a coffee shop. You think I look gorgeous, so you look me up and down, then mutter "Wow." Although I get the point that you like how I look (which, I'm assuming, was your intention), I'm feeling around in my purse for my mace. Just in case your next line is something like, "I've seen pictures of pretty girls before, but never one in person." This is another situation where you want to be the guy in line behind the "Wow Guy", giving me a knowing look and maybe even a wink. I'm much more likely to give that guy my number in return.

What muttering some word of amazement also says to me is you don't have the social skills - or the man-stones - to actually give a girl a real compliment. Or, more chillingly, that, in your creepy little mind, you fail to realize that I am, in actuality, standing next to you, instead of just being a jpg on your computer screen, as would be the usual way you see women.

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Akela Talamasca wrote:

I have done #3, but realize that's because I was hopped up on some jungle mushroom and thought I was seeing a giant, 4-headed rabbit giving a peccary some hygiene tips.

08/06/2007 10:56 AM

SK. wrote:

Thank you, captain obvious.
Also, dinner and first dates don't mix in my book.

08/06/2007 10:59 AM

RG wrote:

In 20 years you will be glad a man looks at you ;-)

08/07/2007 05:57 AM

serial_crusher wrote:

"This actually happened to me recently. While talking to a family friend at a family function, he 'accidentally' touched my left breast... four times"

You were standing too close to him if that was the case. Not trying to say "you were asking for it" or anything. I just think that the closer you're standing to somebody, the easier it is for them to legitimately do it by accident. Most people would have backed up a little by second time.

If you left a reasonable amount of personal space, there would have been no way for him to make it look like an accident.

08/07/2007 06:03 AM

Jerk. wrote:

You sound like a cunt, dear. I work retail and get all sorts of creepiness - am a guy - am frighteningly described as some kind of "really nice person" and hold no truck with supercilious prick bastards.

Even so - when's the last time you actually chilled the hell out? Sounds like you intend to live your life with a giant MySpace list of Bad Things Everyone Shouldn't Do Because I'm Scared of Reality type thing.

Drop the mini-van, cute capri pants, idiotic attitude that your shit somehow, magically doesn't stink....and jump in the great big Pool Of Diverse Living.

Damned tired of oblivious, sheltered, half brain-dead geniuses (sarcasm!) like you spouting garbage no one with a few braincells could care less about.

G'day. Thanks for shopping!

08/07/2007 06:10 AM

Mr. Wrong wrote:

Wow good luck finding a guy to put up with all your rules. You sound so uptight and stuck up. Relax honey.

08/07/2007 06:14 AM

The man who saved the world wrote:

"Every girl likes when a man notices her across a crowded bar, but eying me for longer than five seconds prior to striking up a conversation will just creep me out. Five seconds says you're gathering courage or the right opening line, but after six seconds it just tells me you're undressing me with your eyes, which is downright creepy."

Some man are passionate, and like eye contact more than anything. Unfortunately, most of the girls are idiots, and think that we're undressing them while looking at them.

Not all of the men are same. Please do think about it.

08/07/2007 06:20 AM

SoSuaveDude wrote:

#7 is true because beautiful girls act like cockroaches.

They only come out when the time is right then you'll never see them again for over 9 months.

I'm implying that summer months or late night bar / club runs are usually the only time you see women of that caliber.

08/07/2007 06:23 AM

Rob wrote:

Good article. I can totally appreciate where you're coming from, and some of the comments posted above show just how many creeps are out there.

08/07/2007 06:35 AM

Jack Tripper wrote:

Your article lacks the authority of experience. That said, I'm going to have to see a picture of you to prove that you have had this list happen to you, preferably the picture is you in lingerie.

08/07/2007 06:46 AM

wow wrote:

You seem shallow and lacking life experience. If this is something important enough for you to write about, I feel sorry for you.

08/07/2007 06:54 AM

John wrote:

Go on-line and find everything David DeAngelo ever produced. Any man who sees "you as the prize" is a turn-off. You haven't had exposure to real men and seem quite pissed about it. Totally understandable

08/07/2007 07:04 AM

Tapper wrote:

Rules Women Should Know:

1. Being good looking doesn't entitle you to define the rules the rest of us have to live by. In fact, it doesn't entitle you to anything, other than to put down people tired of masturbating. Enjoy your power, bitch.

2. Women that focus so keenly on their own desirability, generally have nothing else to offer. We'll be tired of banging you in two weeks, and soon prefer the company of our cat.

3. It's all about your hole. Not something to be arrogant about, even if we (men) clearly place too much import on stuffing our junk in it. Don't mistake that for us (men) taking you seriously. We just want to bang you, all of us. We don't care what you think.

08/07/2007 07:09 AM

gioiarioia wrote:

Reminds me of "The Todd" from Scrubs.

08/07/2007 07:14 AM

Josh wrote:

Good and reasonable list, even with all the pricks coming out and complaining about it. Most of us end up following these rules. It's just guys like Tapper and Mr. Wrong make writing it out an necessity.

08/07/2007 07:24 AM

Not Interested wrote:

Damn...
1 Thing That Women Do That Make Men Think They're Psycho

1. Make crazy rules and blog about them.

08/07/2007 07:26 AM

Jan wrote:

hahaha, booooring. i guess the author has had quite some short term relations.
first thing that creeps men out is chicks telling them to change.
you'll be alone with that attitude the older you get.

08/07/2007 07:34 AM

Snakeeyes wrote:

You mean i have to find a prick to say something bad to you and make sure I'm in line behind him to get your number ? Where are you coming from lady ?

08/07/2007 07:43 AM

shyguy wrote:

First of all, I think everyone is, to some extent, a pervert. The very fact of being attracted to a woman based purely on how she looks or what she's wearing is kind of perverted in itself, no? I have been guilty of staring at women like a deer in the headlights and have on several occasions been tempted to say something like 'Wow!' Maybe I do lack 'social skills', but have you ever considered that what you think of as social skills is simply the ability to be disingenuous with a woman and completely objectify her to the point where making witty comments and treating her like 'a real live person' comes easily to a guy that really just wants to get into her pants? I think guys that possess these 'social skills' are far more likely to be sociopaths than us harmless tongue-tied types who can think of nothing to say or do but stare.

Remember, ANY guy who approaches you based on your appearance wants the same thing and is, by your definition, a pervert. Some of us are just more honest than others. For example, 'Rob' above is clearly trying to get into your pants.

08/07/2007 07:49 AM

J. Kuiper wrote:

You should really become a very ugly nerd, might change your perspective on certain things.

08/07/2007 08:03 AM

Chaz wrote:

There are two possible reasons I can think of for this blog post. First, you are just complaining. Second, you are trying to teach creepy men to manipulate you properly.
It's your prerogative. I'm just amazed by what makes it on Digg these days.

08/07/2007 08:08 AM

Ross wrote:

Wow, it looks like some guys forgot to read the intro paragraph. Here, I'll make it easy:

"Hang on, boys. Don't get all defensive - I'm not here to point fingers and call you all out as a slobbering, drooling, certified perverts. I'm just trying to open your eyes to some usually well-meant and harmless behaviors even the most well-intentioned guys sometimes do. Why? Because although I know you mean well, our perception outweighs your intent..."

Read it again. All you pissed off guys sound like a bunch of insecure fucking pansies.

08/07/2007 08:22 AM

Ben Dover wrote:

Are you blond? If so, maybe too much bleach/hair coloring has affected your brain.

08/07/2007 08:38 AM

Lucky Linda wrote:

How many rain forests were cut down to put the poles up your kiester? Ssisters like you, make it easy for the rest of to get dates. Get a life.

08/07/2007 08:42 AM

Macross wrote:

sad sad sad

take it easy, weak willed women like you ruin the entire dating ritual. If you don't like the things he does. Move away! Why did you stick around for the 4th breast touch? Just to get an article out of it? or were you disappointed he blew you off after initially checking you out. You are a sad lonely girl behind a computer.

and the 'don't get defensive line' typical, you are allowed to bash, accuse and generally run down men but they aren't allowed to reply back as it would be sexist and insecure.

I'm so sorry we are male and find you women attractive it's a real shame isn't? I guess the best approach is with a checkbook in hand and the keys to a Porche. Wins em over EVERYTIME.

08/07/2007 08:45 AM

Perceptions wrote:

"Because although I know you mean well, our perception outweighs your intent."

Maybe TechChick out to have written an article correcting women's perceptions of commonly misconstrued actions by honest men, rather than writing an article improving men's abilities to mask their intentions and manipulate women.

Just a thought...

08/07/2007 08:48 AM

Shtoinkle wrote:

"I've seen pictures of pretty girls before, but never one in person."

I'm definitely going to use that one.

08/07/2007 09:00 AM

Touchy610 wrote:

Anybody that is putting you down probably doesn't come into contact with actual females very often. I agree with most of this article, and think that's it's a good opinion piece.

I've had the same thing happen ot me once or twice with the accidental boob touch, only with me, it always seems to be the "accidental" butt touch. It's extremely irritating, and I commend you on NOT raising hell about it. Because I damn sure would.

Kudos!

08/07/2007 09:02 AM

Anonymous wrote:

Does this chick need to get over herself or what? If you don't like being "undressed with their eyes," maybe try dressing a little less provocatively or try frequenting establishments that aren't known for such activities. Such as anywhere but a bar. I'm not saying that you are "asking for it," but it shouldn't take long to detect a pattern forming and that maybe a bar isn't the type of place that would be able to live up to your delicate sensibilities. Hell, maybe they were looking at the even better looking woman behind you. I get the impression you would freeze any man that looked at you longer than 5 seconds.

Maybe that miniskirt, exposed underwear or cleavage, or those tight pants, aren't for you if "perverted creeps" are looking at you all the time. If you don't give them anything to look at, there's nothing to see. Try it sometime and I bet you get less men, ahem I mean "perverts", "staring" at you. Also, you do realize that men can undress you with their mind without staring at you, right? For example, they could look at you for less than 5 seconds, look away, and then continue to mentally undress you. In fact, I've never seen you and I'm doing it right now. ;-) That's a little man-secret I thought I would share with you.

Good luck finding someone that doesn't look at you too long or say the "wrong" things to you. Maybe a blind, mute, deaf man would be the perfect match for you or maybe it isn't a man at all you are looking for but instead a woman.

08/07/2007 09:11 AM

defensive too much? wrote:

perhaps people have such issues with this list because they're the worst offenders.
I'm sure we've all seen Mr. Wrong ogling out-of-his-league women from the bar.

08/07/2007 09:21 AM

William wrote:

this is communism.

i also am well liked by many women, but this sounds more like whining than tips. i do not appreciate fear. it really turns me off and makes me want to move away from a woman.

08/07/2007 09:27 AM

Macross wrote:

how funny is that....one of the proponents of this so called article calls herself
'Touchy610'

no kidding eh.

get over yourself lady or you'll craving that attention when you are 45 single and start trolling bars for 25 year old men to do the exact you didn't want them to do years before.

Touchy610 + 10 years = Cougar69

08/07/2007 09:27 AM

Pulkit Sachdeva wrote:

In the footer of your blog, the only external links that you hold are MySpace and Twitter. Am I to think you are ever serious? Bah!

08/07/2007 09:43 AM

Anonymous wrote:

@defensive too much?

Yeah . . . just as many times as we've seen the provocatively dressed stuck-up slut act surprised or offended when so-called "perverts" are looking at them. Forgive us men that don't empathize with their plight.

Maybe they are only "perverts" if they aren't good looking. Women can judge men on their looks, but if men do the same they are perverts then? Men take issue with articles such as this not because they have never seen a pretty woman in real life, or because they are ugly, or because they are "Mr. Wrong," but because they are tired of the arrogance, condescension, hypocrisies, and double-standards. While these might be convenient explanations that might make the author of the article and other like minded women feel better, they do nothing but further these divides that exist between the genders.

08/07/2007 09:53 AM

yeah wrote:

08/07/2007 09:54 AM

NiceGuyWhoIsSickoFGirlsExpectingMrPerfct wrote:

Do you now what pisses me off...women like you that don'T seem to realize that:
1) A 4 inches cleavage forfeits your right of not being looked at...you don't us to look, they why show the world?
2) Accidental touching...maybe the guy is a perv or maybe your are just standing a bit too close and sending away the wrong message? Never crossed your mind?
3) Staring...rules #1 of guys that don't look like a blond Adonis...staring is all your gonna be able to do in a bar since most girls in a bar are just precious teasing perls that expect the "perfect" idiot to play their game.
4) Sexual escapades story telling on first dates, more or less, well, has it crossed your mind you might just be dating the wrong guys? Like most cute girls that know they are cute. Muscular hunks might be sexier, but usually appearance, after some point, becomes inverselly proportiate with intelligence... sorry for the jocks out there but this is a know truth but like all truths, there are always exceptions, few exceptions though.
5) The "wow" usually is the result of seeing a very beautiful women that makes VERY difficult to approach her... a guy has to break the ice somehow and not everyone is fit or has the social skills to be a "tombeur de ces dames". If girls would just give us guys a break and make it a little easier to talk maybe you girls would have to deal less with the idiots and more with the nice guys.
6)You sound like a very frustrated women that obviously has her expectations a bit too high and on top of that looking in the wrong places to meet Mr. Perfect.
7) A guy that make a bit of a fool of himself when approaching you means only one thing: HE'S INTERESTED! He just probably has not clue on how to approach you and just dives in and improvises. And no, most guys that do that don't just want to get in your pants, because usually they lack practice and don't pickup or make a move on every girl they see. See a pattern here...if the guy is smooth as silk, chances are you are number I don't now what and he does not give a rat's ass about you...that is,after he gets laid.

08/07/2007 10:04 AM

offensive_jerk wrote:

"7) A guy that make a bit of a fool of himself when approaching you means only one thing: HE'S INTERESTED! He just probably has not clue on how to approach you and just dives in and improvises. And no, most guys that do that don't just want to get in your pants, because usually they lack practice and don't pickup or make a move on every girl they see. See a pattern here...if the guy is smooth as silk, chances are you are number I don't now what and he does not give a rat's ass about you...that is,after he gets laid."

Haha, Interesting take.

08/07/2007 10:17 AM

Wormy wrote:

Honesty wins, if anyone does not believe she has a point and has some good pointers to HELP men out, why pull her down? She isn't attacking anyone, she is being honest. which is what some people tend to take more offense too then open up too. Funny how that works.

08/07/2007 10:39 AM

Anonymous wrote:

In reading this article, one would get the impression that TechChick must be a really good looking girl, a real catch, a girl that can justify being upset that "perverted" men are looking at her. For those who haven't wasted the bandwidth to look, don't bother. She is slightly above average, someone you would call "hot" after a 12-pack maybe, a 7 or an 8 if you will. She's the type you would see on a Girls Gone Wild commercial (actually that might insult the Girls Gone Wild girls), a real classy chick. You know how we have "Internet-tough guys" well now we have "Internet hotties," girls who are only hot in their mind on the Internet. One of her profiles says she's 25 years old. I would have easily guessed late 30s, early 40s. Time is not treating her well. LOL!

I'm surprised you can even get perverts to look at you. You should be glad because the rest of us would have nothing to do with you and your baggy eyes, bad skin, fake hair, and fake tits. I can almost smell the bar-stink from here. Yuck!

08/07/2007 10:47 AM

DreaneiRox wrote:

DUDE!

Do all of you freaking men live under a rock?!?! I'm convinced that any of you that are saying a girl that dresses provocatively is asking for it, well...probably the only females you see are in freaking magazines. NOT EVERY GIRL WEARS SHORT SKIRTS AND HAS CLEAVAGE THAT GOES ON FOR DAYS!!!!

And the ones that do, you should be smart enough to stay far away from. But noooo. You want to come on here and make it seem like every female deserves to be disrespected and creeped out, due to the pictures you see in those pinups you have all over your walls.

Guess what? Even normal girls that DON'T wear all that whorish s*** get disrespected. Daily. So get a grip on reality.

08/07/2007 10:47 AM

Shaft wrote:

Sweetheart, just because you hang out with a couple desperate douchebags who you keep around because they make you think your shit doesn't stink, doesn't mean a REAL man will ever put up with any of your arrogant, insufferable BS.

08/07/2007 10:52 AM

Anonymous wrote:

@DreaneiRox

The only people talking about the porn magazines are you and the author of the article. If a woman dresses provocatively, they are going to garner the attention of the opposite sex. This has less to do with their porn viewing habits and more to do with the biology of humans. This does not make the man a pervert. If anything, maybe the woman should be labeled as the pervert because she is communicating sexual signals to all men in her vicinity and she knows it. This doesn't give men the right to disrespect a woman and I don't think anyone said that, so please don't put words in our mouth. The bottom line is that if a woman doesn't want to be looked at they shouldn't dress provocatively and they shouldn't frequent bars that are known for such activity. Of course, men will always look at women no matter how they are dressed, but women that dress provocatively forfeit their right to have a problem with it.

08/07/2007 11:03 AM

MaxPerv wrote:

My advice to all people is to represent yourself truthfully. So if you ARE a perv, don't try to hide it; you will only end up in a relationship doomed to failure. So touch boobs and stare all you want...maybe you will meet that special someone who likes you for horny perv you are...

08/07/2007 11:18 AM

Lick my balls and call me mama wrote:

Your article was nothing but awesome. But all these comments are better. We are men. We fight over stupid things, we chew with our mouth open, and we fart in public and make a hell of jokes bout it, and above all, we feel great all along. What seems deviant from your point of view is perfect for us.

Dress up and get yourself laid. Start to work on two jobs so you can afford a very nice comfy apartment of your own and move out from your mama's house a.s.a.p.
You're 38, uglier than ugly Betty, but hell, there's always someone out there who does not give a shit even if you are Rosie O' Donnell. If he stares at you more than 6.5 seconds, be thankful because at last someone is willing to get into your pants.

08/07/2007 11:25 AM

HEY CAN I HELP YOU USE THE BATHROOM?! wrote:

http://www.thebachelorguy.c...

08/07/2007 12:01 PM

Dman wrote:

WOw, that's alot of venom for what was a "trying to help" article. Personal attacks over it to boot? SHe never claimed to be some goddess, just a girl with an opinion she thought might help a few lunkheads. The insensitive types who might not realize their actions can make them look like something they are not.

I took the "5 seconds" thing to be kind of a Seinfeldy type joke. You don't think she starts counting 5 as soon as someone makes eye contact do you? The point being: Staring too long= bad.

The "stash the Playboys" thing could actually go a couple different ways depending on the guy....

Nice guy: A) He stashes them because he respects you. B)He doesn't stash them because he wants to be honest with you.

Mean guy: A) He stashes them because he doesn't want you to discover all the similarities between his apartment and the "you won't believe what happened" letters section. B) He doesn't stash them because he barely remembers your name and he doesn't care if you don't like them.

I thought it was a good honest article from a female perspective.
There's alot of anger out here on the intertubes nowadays, especially allowing anonymous posting. Don't let it get you down too much. Ya did good.

08/07/2007 12:07 PM

Hag wrote:

Holy crap guys! She wrote this article to let you into the female mind. You might not like what you are reading, but this is how a lot of women feel.
You can either take the information, and try to play the game according to the rules, or you can continue to fumble every female that you are attracted to. She isn't saying that all men are pigs or bad. She is simply stating stuff that MIGHT help you in regurds to your love life.

Try not being so defensive... try to apply the stuff she said... after all SHE didn't make it true, it just IS true.

BTW I'm a dude who just so happens to listen to women. Listening to women WILL help you in your love life. So shut up and take advice like a man.

08/07/2007 01:24 PM

Joe wrote:

I think the real message should read: If you aren't good looking I will see you as a perv for even thinking you have a chance with me.

FUCK YOU!

08/07/2007 01:32 PM

Lordy wrote:

I'm straight as an arrow..but it makes you understand why so many guys are going faggot.

08/07/2007 01:51 PM

Dime A Dozen wrote:

TechChick's doing a lot of clueless guys a huge favor writing this ... biggest problem with techies: always been the straight-A student, smartest guy around ...

... so when someone says "Don't do that --- it's not gonna work" ... they don't listen, even get a little offended ...

... listen this time. And uh Google "david deangelo" while you're at it, he'll make you understand what I'm saying ...

08/07/2007 02:02 PM

Rogz wrote:

I bet that in addition to all these rules, her man has to go down low

08/07/2007 02:04 PM

Genom wrote:

You haven't ever been out with anyone then eh?

I mean nerdy girls *shudder* if anything, you will have to put up with my rules to even have a chance. If I even saw you in person, I would just point at you and laugh.

I bet writing this post made you feel important, but I beg to differ, you are insignificant and will die a virgin and unmarried. Which is really sad for a woman.

Get a life

08/07/2007 02:05 PM

Anonymous wrote:

@Hag

I don't like what I am reading because much of it is complete non-sense. The "rules" aren't created by women to be dictated to men. In fact there aren't really any rules at all since everyone is different and everyone connects with each other on different levels. The problem I think most men have with this article is that TechChick comes off in a very arrogant, condescending manner and makes some basic assumptions about men that are unfair and just plain wrong. Instead of trying to teach anything, this is nothing more than an anti-men tirade based on TechChick's latest bad experiences with men. These experiences, I might add, may be avoided if she changed the image she presents to men she comes in contact with. To take from the article, I understand her intentions might be good, but men's perception outweighs those intentions.

If you are a woman and tend to agree with TechChick and her method of "teaching," then you are probably just as arrogant and condescending as she is and will likely find deficient, weak men that will play your "game." Thus the metrosexual. If you are a man that tends to agree with TechChick, then you will find yourself limited to women that find normal human nature dirty and perverted. If that all sounds good to you, then you were made for each other. If not, you are probably here agreeing with me about how obvious in some areas and how kooky in others this article was.

08/07/2007 02:30 PM

Anon wrote:

So do you get offers of help often? Are they attractive to you? Sounds like their not.
You do actually sound like an uptight NYer.. (though Tech.Chick? One of the blog that's taking a break? If that is you, then I can understand your issues of being chased like a cat on heat. :-) )

I used to date a NY girl who sounds just like you (hence the NY guess), but was much more uptight. Had to be the one walking in front every time.. made for interesting times when she wanted the door opened for her (bitched) and was in the damn way! Had issues that because she's female the males should put her on a pedestal and worship her every second - literally! Actually DID consider herself superior to any man she knew or met. Yes, she did say that, all too often.

However she was gorgeous, had all the assets, and she knew it. Sometimes she dressed to attract eyes, and didn't complain because she knew what she was doing. She saw men chatting her up frequently and transparently - all of those who did, and was honest about it. The quality about this is that she stayed faithful and honest. For those who are curious we broke up because we didn't want to change for each other. We're still friends, though very geographically apart.

So guys, TechChick has a point. Some guys come off as creepy (lord knows I know i do sometimes, but usually when i'm drunk!!), but.....

....TechChick also needs to take a step back and realize, some guys offering help aren't psychos. Worried that he's following you home? Drive to a police station, or don't go home and call the cops on your cell. Also just be sure he's not going your way by coincidence before you panic too... like circle the block. Happens often? You need to look at what vibes you're putting out, or perhaps change where you do your groceries. :-)

Breast touching - a good point, however you can help to prevent it and be sure he is or isn't being a pervy creep. TAKE A DAMN STEP BACK, and KEEP GOING. If he's moving up closer each time and still doing it, have quite words or cross your arms to get a point across if you want to be subtle. He may be a neanderthal, but he'll get the point eventually. A family friend could also be contacted easily - or pulled to one side out of the way for friendly advice. You could have handled it better, is what I'm saying.

#2, 4, and 5 are spot on though.

Finally, when you get a genuine 'wow' compliment, some of us guys really are shy and bowled over by your looks. You need to adjust your social skills to recognize those who are genuinely giving you a 'wow' because your pretty, want to talk, and eventually maybe want meet you again. Then there are those who really are being creeps and trying it on with you. It's up to you do work who is who. Don't tar everyone with the same brush because you do not have the skills. Surely you've been in the same position when you see a drop dead gorgeous guy and wanted to compliment him with a view of seeing him again? Even once?

08/07/2007 02:32 PM

Kevin wrote:

I'm continually baffled by how so many other men don't quite get it, and many of these replies just further my belief in that. For me, I look at women (and don't take this the wrong way, ladies) like a video game. Every time I start a relationship with a girl, I'm trying to win the game, win you, in effect. And everytime I screw up, and have to start over at the beginning, with another woman, I take the mistakes that I made the last time around, and try to get further along in the relationship game. And it seems to work out perfectly for me. Each and every relationship I've had has been better than the last, and now I've found that one where everything is right, and I've won.

It's unfortunate that the people complaining about what you posted here can't seem to figure that part out, and are still stuck on level one, wondering why they can't impress the woman across the bar with their cheetah pants, instead of trying out a different approach.

I thought your post was right on, and I feel pity for those here that are offended you might be offering them a player's guide for the game of life.

08/07/2007 02:34 PM

Sara wrote:

1. Forgivable. Say something or move back a foot.
2. He's probably nervous and saying stupid stuff. Give him some credit. So he's not a keeper.
3. Oooh, a stare, scary!
4. Who does this? I advise a better gym.
5. Accept dates from higher quality men and this won't happen. And if it does...so what? It's just a date.
6. I doubt this has really happened, but I'm so glad you've let us know that you are so dainty, thin and attractive.
7. Yes, it's terrible to make a man's day. Fortunately, in about twenty years, you won't.

;)

08/07/2007 02:44 PM

TheSloth wrote:

What is creepier?
1. Keeping your playboys on the living room table showing that they are for discussion and/or reading.
or
2. Hiding away your porno mags in the drawer next to your bed.

Now if you have the last 2 years worth laying around in the open, that is a different story.

08/07/2007 02:51 PM

Adam wrote:

http://thebachelorguy.com/i...

Let me point out that the woman who wants to be respect and not undressed with our eyes or fantasized about is the above woman.

08/07/2007 03:15 PM

anonymous wrote:

http://thebachelorguy.com/i...

nice, where are the rest of her pics?

08/07/2007 03:26 PM

you know it wrote:

I now have 7 more reasons to pay for sex.

08/07/2007 03:27 PM

Dman wrote:

One other thing to #4...
I will never give up my baggy pants!!! Hah ha
Can't touch this
Stop
Baggy pants time!

They'll come back, you'll see!
(and parachute pants too!)

08/07/2007 03:46 PM

Hillbillyz wrote:

Accidental Breast Touch - I did that with my sister, but she was into it. Long story short my nephew is my son

08/07/2007 04:13 PM

I hate you wrote:

What the hell are you talking about? I swear, women are retarded.

08/07/2007 04:29 PM

Michael wrote:

Wow, I feel encourage to apologize for all men kind.

08/07/2007 04:57 PM

Toad wrote:

You're ugly, but I"d still fuck you.

08/07/2007 05:05 PM

Aaron wrote:

I just this is why God made guys so sexual, it's a tool to put up with some female's stupid views. They wear miniskirt, high heels, or tight clothes in order to get attention from guys. But if they guys react in a "classless (which can change based on the time of the month) manner" then men are animals??!!!! Women want guys to be "chicks with a Penis". Men are Men. Some are smooth, some aren't. If you are so concerned with how men view women then lobby female singers, advertisers, authors, Magazine Editors to stop SEXUALIZING Females. I doubt women will do that because they love the POWER, MONEY & ATTENTION they get. Women should be treated with respect but for GOD's SAKE... Woman should act, dress, in a manner that promotes respect. Wear your BUTT HUGGING JEANS and then glare at a man for looking???!!!! ARE YOU RETARDED!!!!!??????????????

08/07/2007 06:06 PM

CJ wrote:

1. If you make a comment about it or move back a little, and he does the same thing again then I will agree with you.
2. I'd agree with you for the most part, but I'd say this is a lack of game.
3. This I actually laughed at. Her interpetation of being looked at is highly based on what you're staring at, and how attracted she is to you. I'm never surprised at physical contact or her trying to initiate conversation based off of a look and a glance or two.
4. Huh? Where do you work out?
5. Agreed.
6. I'd of loved to hear that line... In fact I'd of laughed my ass off, how could you have not?
7. Been there, done that. If I make said comment then I find you attractive, but either one of two things. I didn't intend for you to hear that comment, or I didn't care that you heard because I had no intensions of persuing you.

08/07/2007 06:57 PM

Steve wrote:

#3 is completely unreasonable. Oh no, someone is looking at me, must be a total pervert!

08/07/2007 07:10 PM

Michael wrote:

I can't believe the comments from some of the other guys on here.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a lot of the sleazy cowards she's talking about are the same guys commenting on this article. I'd tell you all to get a life, but I know you lack the spine and cognitive ability.

The author was way too patient with those scumbags - let me spell it out for you: B O Y S T H E P L A Y B O Y B U N N Y I S N O T C O O L O R S E X Y. Y O U A R E P I T I F U L.

08/07/2007 09:38 PM

mr. cuntwash wrote:

i think its plain and simple, you are a cuntwash...
guys staring longer than 5 seconds arent undressing you lady cuntwash!!!

08/07/2007 11:56 PM

Get a life wrote:

Reverse psychology:

You're thinking that man are undressing you after 6 seconds of eye contact. Thus, you are expecting them to undress you. Now, who is a pervert?

08/08/2007 12:05 AM

Lucas wrote:

What a terrible freaking article :S Holy living crap. What a slag. Please don't heed this advice. I can't stand self-righteous girls who like to 'lay down the law' for us crazy perverted guys who, remember, are interested in nothing but sex. We'll even use outRAGEous tactics to get into your house! And no, he's not staring because he's nervous, he's definitely staring because you're just that amazing! Get over yourself Techchick.

08/08/2007 01:18 AM

JohnBoy wrote:

So you thought he was a pervert? Without any evidence to back up this claim, other than some reading material lying around, a touch of a hand that you could walk away from, a stare that you had to be returning, to notice. So, I think you have problems. Men are men and admit to all sorts of men things, but I don't think they accuse without solid evidence, which kinda makes them better than the person doing the judging. Hormones getting uptight, probably? Hey, I'm assuming, just like you are, dear.

08/08/2007 02:16 AM

dinky wrote:

O ... k ... this sounds like it has been written by a 15 year old but since most 15 year olds don't do their own grocery shopping I'm assuming you're just a bit of a prude.

Don't get me wrong I understand how creepy guys can be, when you have a girl that gets checked out a lot you start to notice yourself how many sick puppies are out there but this list isn't too realistic. The guy staring at you the entire bus/train-ride is probably a lot creepier then anything you've mentioned.

Broadcasting your love for playboy for example is in no way creepy, in fact it's downright funny. This is probably the biggest sign of prudeness if in the 21st century a man has to hide the fact that he likes the female form and would pay to see it. If you consider that porn is the internets biggest seller that means it also has the biggest market, considering that the majority of this market are guys who hide it from everyone ... the few that are open about it should be applauded not treated like filth.

"The Creepy Across-the-Bar Stare"
Have some guts and tell the guy you don't appriciate it. I don't know you so I have no clue what you wear but a lot of women dress to get stares, skimpy skirts, push up bra's, etc. They even wear shiny piercings in their bellybutton to distract us. Be glad some guys have a lot of difficulty making their move or you'd have to rant about how you get approached by hundreds of 'em each day (assuming you're hot enough to warrant such a number).

"You're a man. You are not allowed to own or wear these things unless you are an 80's porn star."
Indeed I am a man which means that as long as I'm not naked and violating some law with what I am or am not wearing, I don't care one bit what you think of my fashion sense. Among men there's a general concensus about what's hot and what's not, ok, some have some weird tastes but in general most guys think someone that 'looks like a model' is hot ... women on the other hand are much more fickle about looks ... at least when they're not claiming that 'looks don't matter' (who hasn't heard that one before?) ... as long as there's no general consensus among women about what is and what isn't hot ... some guys will get confused, some guys will dress weird to some and hot to others ... and best of all some guys will stop giving a crap because they know that there's always going to be someone out there that thinks what they're doing is hot.

08/08/2007 04:45 AM

Will (a former nice guy ) wrote:

First women are not objects for guys to do with as they wish. They are not public property, you have to respect their personal space. Just as guys wouldn't like it if someone (especially if it's another guy) came over & just started touching them or give them a well deserved smack. Also men remember, women have the right to choose who they want to have relationships with. So be a MAN suck it up & stop whining.

08/08/2007 08:05 AM

Anonymous wrote:

@Will

No one is trying to justify disrespecting women and their personal space. No one is saying it's okay to touch women inappropriately or anything like that. Apparently, you didn't like the overwhelming negative response to the article, so you felt the need to demonize such responses with false accusations. Your comments seem very similar to a few others defending the author. Maybe that's because you are the author or a sympathizer. Either way you have lost all credibility with your slander. We need suck nothing up and we need not be silent. We are tired of your condescending nature and will have no more of it.

Both men and women choose who they would like to be with. And let me tell you, most self-respecting men would never be with a woman such as the author or any other woman with such a self-centered attitude for longer than a night, if you know what I mean.

08/08/2007 11:52 AM

aaron wrote:

The dictionary says perversion is '4. to lead into mental error or false judgment.' As the author is making possible false judgements based solely on her own 'gut feelings' rather than a fair trial with evidence, then it is she who is perverted. I would hate to come across the situation where a blind guy is staring at her because he doesn't know she's there - he'll be called a pervert. A child looking at her? Pervert. Her mother looking at her? Pervert. Playboy magazines? Best selling mens' magazines and full of intellectual articles, that she hasn't noticed. All she sees are naked women. Hey, who's the pervert around here? Touch of a hand on chest? Gosh, that means women soldiers no longer get medals pinned to them, though they might deserve them. That's perverted. Perversion can also be clarified by the dictionary as 'To lead astray morally'. Does the author wear lipstick and other make-up on a date? Why? For what reason? To attract men, presumably, though she might deny it. Animal instinct - but she is therefore perverted, as she tries to impress on him her beautiful facets - leading astray, morally, changing what is natural and enhancing it. Perverted? Take a step forward, baby.

08/09/2007 01:21 AM

Michael wrote:

I am embarrassed by most of the posts here. I know there are different types of men and women, in fact I'm sure that there are women out there who would be attracted to guys in leopard print pants, a sweatband, and a playboy t-shirt. There are probably also occasions when wow really is the only response that comes to mind. This does not make this bad advice. A lot of you seem to be bringing up the physical attraction aspect. Looks alone will not make a relationship last, these tips are there to help get the relationship past the initial attraction. If you are looking for sexual partners rather than long-term partners, go ahead and act as you have in these responses, but if you want something that will last for any period of time think about getting to know a woman before you try to get in her pants!

08/09/2007 04:29 AM

SweetLittleThing wrote:

Wow... seems to me you guys are just a little bit 'miffed' by TC's take on 'accidental boob" brushing and what-not. I honestly don't think she was trying to insult anyone, I believe she stated that to begin with, so come on... I think we should all give her a break and see what else she has to say. Remember, guys, she's just trying to give helpful tips here. She would know first hand what it feels like to be a woman who's just had her bossom accidentally, on-purpose brushed up against. It is kind of creepy. Put yourself in her stiletto's for a minute and think about it. Would you want your cock accidentally, on-purpose rubbed up against? Nevermind... dumb question. But come on, I dont think she's trying to sound stuck up, or prude, in fact, I bet you anything she can be just as wild as the next girl out there wearing a mini-skirt and thong. Didn't you get a load of her sword action?!?! She's just trying to help you score on a level worth being respected for.

08/09/2007 12:58 PM

Dr. Charles McTuna IV wrote:

You mean Zubas aren't cool?! Shoot.

08/09/2007 04:40 PM

Better Than You wrote:

Wow, seems like the people who really need this advice are not very grateful for it! I love how you're all trying to tell her she's ugly and unattractive-- like she cares what a bunch of pathetic losers like you think. The only reason any woman would ever touch one of you is if she was insanely drunk or actually unconscious, so couldn't figure out what creepy personalities you all have. But then you know that, that's why you're trying to bring down a woman who's attractive, inteliigent, and miles out of your basement-dweling league. Keep kidding yourselves you're "real men." Men are people. Women are people. Men who don't understand this are pathetic misogynist saddoes. Anyway, thanks for the laugh, all these commenters. Enjoy your exciting future of masturbating through your tears while wondering why women despise you!

08/09/2007 06:59 PM

Aaron wrote:

Oh dear, so many false accusations from perverted people - perversion meaning 'false judgements'. Irony strikes those who fail to see what they're writing. 'A woman would never touch any of you men' Ermmmmm, proof please? 'Bringing down a woman who's attractive....?' Well, her photo is invisible, so it may be a 67 year old bloke with a 5 o'clock shadow. 'Creepy personalities?' Yes, I ride a tricycle, a'la Saw. 'Basement-dwelling'? Damn, you've seen me on Google Earth. So, lots and lots of totally false allegations, the same as the original poster who is trying to say a man staring at her may be a pervert. If a woman stared at me - I know she won't because I am proven to be a basement dwelling, drunk misogynist - according to the Kangaroo Court that has produced no witnesses to back this up - I wouldn't think she's a pervert, no way, not ever ever ever. And hey, just to get it straight, don't compare boob brushing with touching 'lower down', okay? That's stupid, juvenile, and part of the creed that says 'To win this argument, I am going to be perverted and compare that to sexual molestation'. And of course, that is the difference between the two acts. grow up, kiddies - this is all about TRUTH, and the TRUTH is this: staring, Playboy, boob touching and all the rest, DO NOT MAKE ANYONE A PERVERT - but FALSE ALLEGATIONS do. Remember, definition of 'Perversion' is 'TO MAKE FALSE JUDGEMENTS' Lighten up, you perverts.

08/10/2007 01:09 AM

Disgusted with my fellow man wrote:

The hostility in most of these comments comes from men who are feeling defensive because they have done all these things, recognize themselves, and don't want to admit what assholes they are. If you persist on viewing women as objects, games, "holes," etc., you are a misogynist loser who will journey through life never understanding why you are a failure with women (unless you force yourselves upon them in some manner).

Get over it. Women do not belong to you. They are not your property. They are not somehow disrespecting you just because they don't like to be groped, stared at, slobbered over, and treated like pieces of meat for male pleasure, as most guys here clearly think is the case. Women are sentient human beings with all the rights you men take for granted.

You're all a bunch of losers. Face it. You're the kind of guy she's writing about. There are plenty of awesome, brilliant, good-looking men to meet. Unfortunately for you jerks, none of you assholes resorting to disgusting comments about this writer falls into this group. If you have to resort to words like "cunt" "slag" and "bitch" to disagree with someone, you are a disgusting example of a human being.

Also, most of you idiots can't spell and don't know the first thing about proper grammar. Funny how that's usually the case with neanderthal types like you.

08/10/2007 07:33 AM

Miss Thing wrote:

Goodness. What strong comments from some readers!

Notice how many nastygrams came from men.

Guys, it's true. There are actions that turn us women right off. I had a good laugh (and said "Right on!") about putting Playboy bunny decals on your car (usually, it's a truck). I would never in a million years date a guy who has those. They represent a couple of possibilities, and none are good:

a) I objectify women.
b) I think women should work to maintain youthful beauty, even if it involves surgery and/or use of prescription products like Botox and collagen injections (see "a" above) (Aside: How many of these guys have pot bellies, etc.?)
c) I have a rich fantasy life that involves ridiculously busty women, but my reality is sad, therefore, this is my pitiable escape.

I'm sure there are many things women do that make men similarly creeped out. This author isn't saying women are perfect. I think it is the angry amongst you who need to "chill out.

08/10/2007 08:18 AM

Candy wrote:

Test

08/10/2007 12:13 PM

Candide wrote:

Guys, we can always get laid. Even if we're fat and ugly we can still find someone to fuck.

"Rogz" - Most men do that, but if not then they usually learn how to give a hand job that could start an earthquake. If pussy scares you, experiment with dating men and see if you like that better.

08/10/2007 12:14 PM

Matt wrote:

So, lesson learned: Have a friend make a pervy move on a chick and then laugh at him from nearby and you're totally in.

08/10/2007 01:56 PM

ChatOmbre wrote:

I also wanted to add that unless they don't have enough clothing on (like if they're naked in public), I don't usually care much about what guys wear. Especially since many boys aren't taught much about clothing when they're growing up, so often they just wear whatever. Ever told a guy that you liked his shirt, only to have him indicate that he doesn't remember what it says, and look down to see what he's wearing before thanking you for the compliment? Or, you're probably at least familiar with how women often end up telling their boyfriends or husbands that no, what they're wearing doesn't match, and please put on such-and-such instead before leaving the house.

Also, while proudly displaying Playboy stuff isn't what I'd call "classy", I don't hate it. I'm not impressed by it, and I can think of other ways of showing an appreciation of female beauty that I'd prefer, but it isn't the worst thing a guy could do. He also might just not realize that most women probably aren't fond of the playboy bunny sticker that's on his car.

08/10/2007 09:06 PM

ChatOmbre wrote:

(The comment that I tried to make before that one didn't show up... I'd re-type it, but I don't have time.)

08/10/2007 09:08 PM

Madio wrote:

You clearly want sex, but you still, like many girls only want to have sex with men you know wants to have sex with you, but can "play the game" good enough so you don't have any sort of "definite proof" that he does.

The reason there are "players" amongst men is because women that wants sex wants to be "played".

They want to contain their self-image of not being "a slut". And want to pretend to themselves that they sorta got tricked into a situation where they just couldn't resist the urge to have sex with man. As if it was not planned at all.
The reason many women only respond to men who play these games are because they perceive it to be socially unacceptable to openly embrace their own sexuality.

This is pretty obvious when you think about it.

There is no synonym for talking about men in the words slut, whore, nympho, "being easy" and other words used to show a distaste for females freely satisfying their sexual desires.

Free yourself of your self-deception of self-image and learn to accept your sexual desires. It will make your life better, and if more women did that, it would make the lives of men, who already do not care about "sexual morality" very happy that you finally cut out the bullshit and requirement of games.

08/11/2007 10:35 AM

Bananaphone wrote:

The comments are funnier than the article was! So many guys who are pissed off that the writer is trying to change men's behavior. A few comments of my own:

1. As Cap'n Barbossa said of the pirate's code, "they're more of just guidelines". You don't want to worry about how long you stared at her from across a crowded room? Then don't. It's a free country. You decide that you don't want to go out with me because I kicked you for brushing my ass one too many times? Then don't: chances are, the feeling is mutual. You don't like us trying to change your behavior, then don't do it. You don't have to put up with us any more than we have to put out for you.

2. The comments of "she's an ugly bag anyways" or "in 20 years, you'll be dying for us to do these things to you" or my favorite "You're being a prude" miss their mark because you seem to assume that we're dying to have sex with you. Contrary to popular belief, most of us can take or leave sex. I don't think about it constantly, I don't go searching for it, and I don't choose to have sex with the annoying Playboy Bunny guy because he was the only thing that hit on me. Taunting women with the argument "if you don't put up with our crap, you won't get any of our precious man-meat" cracks me up because, to be brutally honest, i don't need your penis. I have a great one at home that takes AA batteries. If I'm sleeping with you, it's because I like you. Your personality. And in that case, I can choose to be picky.

3. I am truly grateful to those gentlemen who, in their refinement, have learned to control themselves. I have a deep respect for you and seek out your company. For the men who have not yet learned to behave, please do not expect that I will do all the work for you. I have no plans to swaddle up in a shapeless sweater or stay away from bars or clap my knees shut tighter than a clam at low tide so we aren't forced to brush thighs when you sit with your legs splayed open. I will not pretend nothing happened and move away demurely when you've brushed my breast several times. I didn't touch you: you don't have to keep touching me. Yes, I am going to be offended from time to time. Yes, I'm going to be pissed about it. But, if you didn't learn proper behavior, it's not my duty to teach you. I shouldn't have to leave because someone is being an ass.

08/11/2007 01:05 PM

fridgemagnet wrote:

Never have I seen so many comments calling someone an ugly controlling bitch for, er, posting a list of some simple things that make a man look like a bit of a dodgy pervert.

You know, make all the self-righteous excuses you want to about how you're such a nice guy but women are just teases and wear low cut tops and are asking for it etc - continue to stare, make clumsy come-ons, touch breasts without consent, and so on, and the absolute best that will happen is that you end up with a lot of women thinking you're a dodgy pervert. (The worst being that you end up in jail, particularly with the boob-grabbing thing, jesus.)

08/11/2007 01:51 PM

Ma wrote:

I've always suspected that nowadays, men need women more than women need men. The defensive and hostile tone of so many of these responses pretty much confirms my theory.

There is a generation of still-youngish men who were raised to believe that women would be dependent on them, and as a result those women would be pliable and subservient. The rules changed while these young fellows were growing up. Women can now take care of themselves financially, and don't have to be grateful to every oaf who pays attention to them.

Many of the men who were brought up this way have adjusted and learned to appreciate the benefits of being with a woman who's with him out of enthusiasm rather than desperation. But it's also clear that there's a whole group of men who still feel deeply threatened and bitter about this turn of events. But don't worry. I'm sure there are still some mousy, insecure women out there somewhere who mistakenly think that they have to settle for whatever they can get.

08/11/2007 06:01 PM

Not your girlfriend wrote:

Hey, look on the bright side. At least these women-hating lackwits are taking themselve out of the gene pool so we don't have to worry about them breeding, eh?

Hope those Playboy logos and whiny entitled attitudes keep you warm at night, lads, coz nobody else will.

08/12/2007 03:15 AM

Aaron wrote:

Hey people, it's funny men being called 'women-hating lackwits' - just ONE MORE accusation that has not a shred of evidence to back up the statement, and is therefore as perverted (perversion is false allegation, remember) as anything I've heard since Bush reckoned Iraq was going to bomb the universe. What men don't like are lies, more lies, and damned lies, and the fact is many people here - I'm one - appreciate women, like to be with women - and before some dipstick says I'm sex mad, just because they have lost their cool AGAIN, I DON'T DO SEX, I DO RESPECT - because I find them attractive, tell them so, don't do obviously perverted things like lying (as some on here are) or disrespect them in any way at all, and I find them intelligent and worth fighting for - and guys, before another false accusation that I'm fighting to drag a woman into a cave, please think before you falsely accuse again. I open doors for them - some women don't like this. I pull out chairs for them. I give them flowers. Most of all, I'm supportive when she needs support, I tell her how much I love her, I comfort her when she's down (hey guys, 'down' as in depressed, please, and not what you're going to accuse me of any second now, okay?) and most of all, I respect her, love her, and am FAITHFUL to her, until the end of my days. Of course I stare at her - she's awesomely beautiful, and (guys, check this) she stares back. That's what happens when two people love one another. Yes yes, I know I'm going to be called a pervert, but I'm ready for it. She bought Playboy once, because there was an article on fishing that was well-written, intelligently written and was appreciated by our circle of fishing friends (guys guys, I said fishing, not fisting, please stop accusing me), who did not comment ONCE on the fact there was a bunny emblem on the front of the magazine. Yes, we're all perverted, guys, I admit it. Gosh, people are being killed in wars and that's not perverted because looking at a woman is obviously more worthy of being mentioned on here. Yes yes, us perverts, us purveyors of Truth - who speak factually, ONLY when we have evidence to support it, are perverts. And you know what? The woman I love is glad about that, because she appreciates the truth, and not mealy-mouthed half-researched rubbish that would have got someone burned as witch in the 17th century. Guys, what do you know about fishing? Hmmmm. I thought not. Well, you can always make it up as you go along - you're well-practiced.

08/12/2007 03:49 AM

asfd wrote:

"5'3", 100lb woman barely able to push her overflowing cart down the grocery aisles, I look like I'm in desperate need of help. And you know what? I am."

Are you cripple? Because I'm 5'2" and even I can push a cart and put away my own fucking groceries. All in the same day, too. Or do you mean you need some other kind of help? I'm totally lost on this.

08/12/2007 04:56 AM

Not your girlfriend wrote:

"Hey people, it's funny men being called 'women-hating lackwits' "

Not men in general. Just men like you.

08/12/2007 05:03 AM

Aaron wrote:

Hey not-your-girlfriend, that says a lot about you, and I can surmise - as the evidence is there in plain English - that you like to read things into text that isn't there. Now, my dear, this is why some people tell lies - to cover their misunderstand and lack of comprehension of the real world. I could surmise you're 15 with acne, but I'm not, because I believe in evidence before I go spouting off my unsoaped mouth. Mind you, you could be the next President - lies go down well in High Office. How you think I hate women is beyond me, as I've loved the same woman for most of my life and supported her and my family through some bad times, without ever being called a woman-hater. But there's always a token pratt on any website, and today, my darling, it's you. Take a bow...

08/12/2007 06:06 AM

Dana wrote:

*reads more comments*

Oh yeah, and that's the other thing. She ain't trying to change you, guys. She's handing you an instruction manual so you can figure out how to wipe your own asses, on the off-chance that you're missing the target by pure accident rather than because you prefer putting skid marks in your undershorts.

The guidelines are there. If you follow them you will ultimately have better success with women--not necessarily more, but definitely better when it happens--rather than continuing to wonder why none will speak to you.

She's doing you a favor, because there aren't a whole hell of a lot of classes for this kind of thing and you'd be lucky if a more knowledgeable guy in your acquaintance ever told you any of this stuff. She's handing it to you on a silver goddamn platter and all you can do is insult her?

OK, fine. You were warned. But don't go around crying like a little bitch that you don't know what women want, because when we TELL you, you shoot us down. *shrug* Your loss. Stay a virgin til you're fifty. Nobody cares.

08/12/2007 06:13 AM

Aaron wrote:

What women want? Some like doors opened, some don't; some like flowers, some don't; some like chocolates, some don't. Some LOVE being looked at, others don't. Some like to be told how very special they are, others don't; some like supportive words and an arm around them, others don't; some like male company, others don't. Surely, the answer here is EVERYONE wants something different? Sure, stare at a woman and she MIGHT not like it. However, find me a woman in love who DOESN'T like being scrutinised by her lover (eyes locked for hours) then you'll find a rare beast. He's not a pervert - or maybe he is. How do you tell? Well, you don't - you simply make assumptions from afar, without ONE iota of evidence to prove your claim. Perverts get arrested and taken to Justice - try calling the cops because a man was looking at you and you claim he's a pervert. Go on, try it. Dial 911 and say 'I want tis man arrested because he's looking at me'. Now, I don't make assumptions, and neither should anyone else. Chill, people. But oh, PLEASE PLEASE start telling the truth and stop making assumptions about people simply because your brain works that way, and you don't have enough intelligent cells to distinguish between reality and aspersions. Nobody is 'shooting women down' - we're merely (and ONLY) saying this: STATE FACTS, not assumptions that because someone reads Playboy, or looks at you, he's somehow depraved, deformed and not worthy. There ARE perverts out there and there ARE women-haters, I accept I'm one, because some idiot told me in aprevious post, so boo shucks IT MUST BE TRUE.

08/12/2007 06:29 AM

Ringding wrote:

mmmm ok, so you do know there is guys out there that are know where near what youve just said what about the ones who are really shy to talk to you, or the ones who do all these things accidently, you just going to throw them in the trash after the first date, some 2 or 3 hours with them, hardly enough time to get to know the real them. face it, your never going to find a guy with that kinda of attitude towards them and evan if you do find one who is all the ways you want them to be, then there just a shell of there former self who is sick of every girl asking for more out of them.

08/13/2007 02:42 PM

lighten up wrote:

anyone who has a problem with this is probably guilty of it already. try having a sense of humor..and then looking in the mirror.

08/14/2007 12:05 PM

Aaron wrote:

Yeah sure, anyone who has a problem with this is probably guilty of it already. There ya go - charged, tried and sentenced all by one unpaid poster on a forum. We could save billions by getting rid of the judges and Justice System. Were you at Salem, bud?

08/14/2007 12:35 PM

Mario wrote:

Sure sweetie, I'll play your game until I get to hit it! (and I'm pretty sure plenty of men have played your game.) Then you know what happens after I hit it? I win. You lose. Next!

The only difference between the creepy guy who stares and the guy that show's respect is...NOTHING! We both want to undress you and hit it. And one of us is going to hit it and you're gonna let it happen. So stop playing these stupid "rules games".

What an idiot!

08/15/2007 03:29 AM

slim_nick wrote:

Frankly, I'm do not think she looks good enough to be able to be so selective. I did five minutes worth of research and turned up the following. Check her out for yourself and decide post your thoughts.

http://thebachelorguy.com/i...
http://pownce.com/profile_p...
http://assets3.twitter.com/...
http://www.stumbleupon.com/...

In a couple years she'll be glad to find a old perv checking her out.

08/16/2007 05:52 PM

Amanda wrote:

It's funny how all of these guys are bitching and making asses of themselves!! A girl has enough guts to tell the truth and all of a sudden she's a "cunt"...

08/17/2007 04:13 AM

Aaron wrote:

Amanda should understand that cuss words coming from ladies are not pleasant, and mark her down as a twit. Amanda should also understand that these guys are not 'bitching' because (a) bitches are female, and (b) guys didn't start it - some harridan did - one who thinks she can look at a guy for 5 minutes, to see if he's looking at her for five minutes, but that's okay, he's a pervert and she isn't. She'll also go on webcam, has no problem with it at all - and guys and gals will look at her, no problem. That's okay, there aren't any perverts on the Internet, are there? Amanda would also be wise to not generalise in future, as this is a nasty thing to do - not all guys were bitching, and not all guys are bad guys. Amanda should grow up, learn to respect the differences between men and women, and look up the proper words for womens' private parts; in this way, she will earn respect, be well educated, and hopefully - though I doubt it - realise that some of us love to look at the woman we love, and the woman we love loves being looked at.

08/21/2007 01:22 AM

eVERY MEN HERE HAS A POINT wrote:

wtf Ladies and u wonder why guys cheat on you annoying annogant ladies who know nothing how many times those anoymous or any other guy have to say that she does makes some points but maybe you guys should take the time to understand ous men side

a nother thing YOU OBVIOUSLY EITHER YOU WERE A IDIOT OR U WANTED HIM TO TOUCH U BREASTS FOR THE ATTTENTION LIKE EVERYSAID STEP AWAY A FEW FEET AND HE CAN'T MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A ACCIDENTLY I SORRY LADIES BUT ITIS OBVIVI=OUS YOUR TRYING TO ATTACK UO PUT US DOWN SO YOU CAN CHANGE IN TO A PATHETIC BITCH............... U GIRLS HERE WHO AGREE WITH HER WILL PROLLY NEVER KEEP A MAN

08/27/2007 12:07 AM

fck grammar and spelling wrote:

this girl is stupid. Shes prob married to a looser and suffers from withdrawal sindromes of getting laid properly. She prob thinks 90% of all guys are perverts. How the hell does a guy accedentally touch your boob 4 times u stupid whining btch. Fck you if you dont like my playboys.. I have learnt may skills from it and saticfied heaps and loads of woman with my it. If I want to stare at a girl across the dance floor i will stare. And its not because I want to undress her with my eyes. That is what my hands are for. I am appreceating her. I am looking for one night stand and if she likes what she sees she'l play along. And I like to talk about fkn. Espessially with my girlfriends and espessially on the first date. I wnt to clarrify shit. I want to know what the fck they think before hand. dont want to waist my time.

So do me a favour. Stop spreading this shit around and start fkn

09/06/2007 01:30 AM

captian stalker wrote:

sure...when that drunk fat chick stares at me I might get an ego boost, but I'm really thinking how many people know me at this bar and will they notice if I leave with her.

09/06/2007 02:26 AM

spbc wrote:

Any of the guys that argue with this article need to walk off a cliff. You are a waste of man and clearly still living in 3000 BC.

How about you guys have some God Damn RESPECT for women.

Maybe if you used your fucking brains instead of your balls you'd realize WE AREN'T ASKING FOR IT! It's the opposite actually. It is not the same when a woman does these things to a man (even though I would agree that it is just as creepy) because you don't have to worry about getting Raped by that woman staring at you from accross the room. Trying living your entire life having to worry if that guy is going to hurt you. You'll change your story in a heartbeat, I promise.

Don't blame your immaturity and stupidity on us.

10/10/2007 10:54 PM

barbiegirl wrote:

u guys r fucking gay!!!!!!

11/28/2007 03:46 PM

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